http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209034/The-babies-born-hospi... From the British Daily Mail I prefer to get my theology from the Fathers of the Church than from the secular media. From St John Chrysostom: “See the man,” He says, “and his works: indeed this also is theft, not to share one’s possessions.” Perhaps this statement seems surprising to you, but do not be surprised. I shall bring you testimony from the divine _script_ures, saying that not only the theft of others’ goods but also the failure to share one’s own goods with others is theft and swindle and defraudation. What is this testimony? Accusing the Jews by the prophet, God says, “The earth has brought forth her increase, and you have not brought forth your tithes; but the theft of the poor is in your houses.” Since you have not given the accustomes offerings, He says, you have stolen the goods of the poor. He says this to show that they hold the goods of the poor even if they have inherited them from their fathers or no matter how they have gathered their wealth. And elsewhere _script_ure says, “Deprive not the poor of his living.” To deprive is to take what belongs to another; for it is called deprivation when we take and keep what belongs to others. By this we are taight that when we do not show mercy, we will be punished like those who steal. For our money is the Lord’s, however we may have gathered it. If we provide for those in need, we shall obtain great plenty. This is why God has allowed you to have more: not for you to waste on prostittutes, drink, fancy food, expensive clothes, and all the other kinds of indolence, but for you to distribute to those in need. Just as an official in the imperial treasury, where he neglects to distribute where he is ordered, but spends instead for his own indolence, pays the penalty and is put to death, so also the rich man is a kind of steward of the money which is owed for distribution to the poor. He is directed to distribute it to his fellow servants who are in want. So if he spends more on himself than his need requires, he will pay the harshest penalty hereafter. For his own goods are not his own, but belong to his fellow servants (St John Chrysostom, On wealth and poverty: sermons on the parable of the rich man and Lazarus Luke 16:19-31) http://khanya.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/self-evident-truths-and-moral-...

***Look, Steve, don't put to paper what you know nothing about. You make yourself a laughingstock. It makes you look like a real jerk. ***The United States is a Republic with democratically elected representatives. It is NOT a democracy. If you don't get it try Google. Geesh! Furrfu

Besides that, it's not static. The entire trajectory of American history shows a path to more and more democracy. ***To the detriment of America. Elected officials' pledges to protect the Constitution is a joke.

Michael James < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote in message news:934fde96-ff90-4d1c-a535- Tim if I am not mistaken the UK system is similar to that in Canada. *AND* to please some of our American friends, yes it is not perfect. Nothing is perfect and there are always room for improvement. The system on a whole works fine. There are situations where there are problems. For example hip-replacements. Their are many people waitng for tht type a treatment and not enough doctors etc. Why? because the system has only so much money, and EVERYBODY has a right to treatment, since we ALL contribute to the cost of healthcare through a percentage of our taxes. Do we want to pay more taxes so their will be more doctors? ***So, some people could end up crippled for life? Ah! Just like they do in the USA if they haven't got enough money! I see... Tim. One option people are considering is the two-tiered' system, where private cliniques are available. for people who do not wish to 'wait in line' Many people could afford that, Not only would that leave the present system intact, but it would lessen the load of the public system making it more efficient as well. ,When it comes to emergency, life threatening situations our health care system is fine. If an emergency case arrives at a hospital,any elective-surgery is postponed until after emergency patient is treated. And the treatment they give is excellent . I can verify that from persona experience as well as the experience of others in my millieu. We are alive and well BECAUSE OUR SYSTEM WORKS. One last point. I noticed while watching some American TV that they think the elderly do not get the same care as younger people . that is a pile of crap. Old people are treated the same as young people. ***They are in America, too. The TV program you watched was wrong. Not quite..Everyone in Canada get a Honda Civic, if you want a Mercedes then pay for it. You seem to think that everyone should have a Mercedes, when a Honda Civic is a good car and will get you where you wnat to go. despite traffic jams. ***I think everyone should have whatever car they can afford. Personally, if I had the money, I would have a Lamborghini to run around in for fun. Forget that it only has a city MPG rating of 8 and 12 highway. Well am glad to see that the UK has enough money so that everyone gets a Mercedes (or a Rolls) but unfortunately we are obviously not so well off as you Brits, * but* we can afford to give everyone a Honda Civic. I am sorry if that does not meet your standards. I hope this analogy is crystal clear. EVERYONE IS CARED FOR ***Correction: Everyone is cared for if you live long enough for your name to reach the top of the list. That American actress who died in the ski accident in Canada last winter died as a result of lack of care by the Canadian system. Correction you are obviously ignorant about our health system.  She diedbecause she refused treatment and when she changed her mind and hour later it was too late. Enough of your lies!! ***I guess it's time to start posting horror stories about health care that have been in the British press. So be it. You can call the press liars, too. I live here and I know may people who are alive because of the efficacity of our health system.  The fact that I am alive and typing this reply is just on person's proof. I had a stroke two years ago. The ambulance got there is minutes got me to the hospital;where I received immediate care and the emergency room the switched to intensive care for a week, a ward for two weeks. I was treated by top neurologistsm, using the most up to date equipment. After three weeks they  tranfered me to a Reab hospital for two months, where I was cared for and fed and washed, I received physio therapy and went froma wheelchair to be a cane .  I had courses in Ergo therapy learning how to do common things . THAT IS A TRUE STORY...are you going to say I am lying? AND IT HAD NOTHING TOP DO WITH WATING ON A LIST I could tell other stories of how well our system works and  people whose lives have  been saved. You read my  post I stated QUITE CLEARLY where some things could be improved. But I am telling the truth and you are not! ***Then your British press is a bunch of bull shitters, right?