The cost of major medical insurance is not at the cost that you state. Full coverage with dental, pre_script_ion and 80/20 split costs about 10,000 in VA with 3 dependants and a spouse. That’s full coverage for everything. Basic major medical in VA cost about $400 a month. That cost doesn’t seem to costly to help protect you and your family. I’m in support for change but I’m not sure if the working people should ALWAYS pay for everything. From what I understand is that the wealth in this country are going to pay for this public health care system. Yea right, they are all going to stand in line to cough up extra cash to uncle SAM. *From:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] *On Behalf Of *Michael Wiedaseck *Sent:* Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:20 AM *To:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it *Subject:* Re: health care public option * I have a couple of friends that don’t have health insurance and their kids seem to get taken care of thru the current health care system, they simple pay the doctor out of pocket and they always seem to get a better deal than most. * That will work fine as long as they don't get sick enough to stay in the more then  1 hour. If they stay longer the costs will crush them, if they own a house it will have a lien on it, if they have money in the bank it will be gone. What you actually said was my friends don't have health insurance and I don't mind paying for them, it the people I don't know that I don't want to pay for . 25% of you health insurance premium is to pay for the uninsured. How do you expect a family of 4 to pay $ 12,000 - 15,000 a year for health insurance if the family income is $ 50,000.00 a year. If you have to choose between food and health insurance food always wins.  And their are a lot of families making less the $ 50, 000.00 a year. * If the public plan goes through I plan on going into the Hospital building business. *  The number* *of hospitals will probably decrease because people will get care earlier in the cycle and prevent major events. If you travel around the world you will see the public system works fine, every other country does it with the public system. What makes you think Americans are smarter then everyone else in the world, in general when you think your smarter then everyone else your the least smart person. * * On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: At this current point in my life I have one kid in public school and 1 kid in private school and as far as having basic coverage that is a very great point, I have a couple of friends that don’t have health insurance and their kids seem to get taken care of thru the current health care system, they simple pay the doctor out of pocket and they always seem to get a better deal than most. They go to work and pay their bills. Public roads, public schools, public parks, public airports, public stadiums, you name it, government motors, how about Government AIG. You are right we need more government. Everybody deserves coverage of some kind but I think you might be able to work for it and not just be handed everything. *From:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] *On Behalf Of *David Wiedaseck *Sent:* Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:41 PM *To:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it *Subject:* Re: health care public option So on that note of you working for and providing for your own needs.  Will you be enrolling your kids in private school this fall?  Or will I, your brother, end pretty much everyone else without any kids be paying for your kids socialized education?  Also should I write the check out for your school bus or will you be driving them this year? It's also nice of your Brother, your Mom, and your neighbors for paying for that swing set  and see-saw in the park down the street that your kids play on. You want your vanilla for free, but you want the chocolate to subsidize it.  If we don't have health care, perhaps we should have a kid tax to pay for all the services they require.  Instead of just letting the government manage it and divide the cost, we'll introduce a bureaucracy and add 10% overhead, we'll call it kid insurance. Here's another thought for you.  How about we send all those kids that can't afford a swine flu vaccine to your kids school. The point is having some basic services made universally available benefits society as a whole.    Just as having a bunch of uneducated kids running around would be counter productive to greater American society.  On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: That’s why they make chocolate and vanilla ladies and gentleman. If the public plan goes through I plan on going into the Hospital building business. The hospitals cant handle the load now. Imagine the whole country going to see the doc in the box. The health care system is one of the only growing fields in our area right now and the government of course. I believe things could be better through change, but giving things away doesn’t always work. Every person doesn’t desire to OWN a home, every business doesn’t deserve a bailout check, and every person doesn’t deserve a brand new car. We don’t need the government to tell us when to smoke or eat fast food. We can make decisions for ourselves. I think. The choice I’ve made is my choice and I work hard to make sure that I have the things I need. I think there is a better way to fix the problem instead of giving the government more. Would the insurance rates go done if everybody bought a plan or if nobody bought a plan? Is your doctor going to give you better care if you have a private plan or a government plan. He/ She has bills and school loans to pay for. Was this country founded on the have and the have not’s or by every person being equal. I’ll bet everybody that responds to this email is currently covered by some sort of medical coverage or government program. Who gets the benefit? I think the health care system isn’t going to solve our diabetes, I think our people who our lazy and sit around  doing things that are bad for you are going to solve some of these problems. Sometimes people need help and you can help yourself without the government telling you how to do it. If I’m confused about this subject it would not be the first time. Power to the people not the government. Where were all the soap box preachers 30 yrs ago on socialized med any way, you could of gotten an early head start. Maybe they can open Government Med School too. They can dictate the price of education for your doctor and pick what he will study too. Mike always wanted a brain surgeon in the family. *From:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] *On Behalf Of *David Wiedaseck *Sent:* Tuesday, September 01, 2009 10:49 PM *To:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it *Cc:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it *Subject:* Re: health care public option EXcellent sermon I think I should also note that Cuba has a higher quality of primary care then the US.  This was parodied by Michael More in his movie sicko. He dragged a group of 911 rescue workers who where unable to afford or who were inelligable for health care to treat the injuries sustained as a result of 911.  The cubans treated them for us, and also pointed out how per_script_io s costing over $100 could be bought. There for less than $1. Cuba also has a higher literacy rate than the US, perhaps that's why no one there oposes it. But hey it's nice to know some have money to blow on overpriced health care.  For them I welcome obamas tax hike for the over 150k  crowd. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:00 PM, This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote:  Chris , I don't believe you have an understanding of the depth of the problem and yes you are already paying for the uninsured  .In the hospital that I do clinical  ,I have been astounded by the number of working americans  that are in the hospital with life threatening conditions that could have been managed with good medical care.Yet because  these employed Americans are unable to afford insurance , their treatable  hypertension ,diabetes has gotten out of control ,they are admitted for expensive emergency care . This is paid for by the New Jersey Charity care program. It would be much more efficient to provide outpatient care in the first place And cheaper. Sorry for the sermon but most folks have no idea of the depth of the problem. Susie .( How is my newest neice?) In a message dated 9/1/2009 8:10:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it writes:  Are you saying that insurance companies aren't double billed for services, that dead people don't file insurance claims, that insurance companies don't have corporate jets, that insurance executives don't have company memberships at the local country club, that the 250 insurances executives who make more than $ 1,000,000.00 each, that the dividends they pay to share holders, that throw million dollar parties don't increase your health insurance costs? It's proven fact the medicare is more efficient the private insurance.
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You think everybody needs full PPO coverage or something to cover them encase of some bad stuff. I think $4800 for some coverage is better than nothing. But that is your choice right. Why is everybody in favor of the government controlling your life. I NEVER thought I was smarter than anybody in any part of the world or country, state, city or town. You trying to convince me to change my opinion makes me think you are smarter than me or anybody else that has the same opinion. Some people don't always make the right decisions, some people would rather have $800 a month truck payments instead of health insurance. Some people chose to buy houses they cant afford and not buy health insurance. I chose to forgo these special luxuries so I can afford health insurance for my family. I chose not to sit around and wait for somebody else to make a decision on whether or not  my family has health coverage. Some things are more important to other people, like your son private school boy. Just keep paying taxes. So what is the cost of this plan for public insurance. I've read that it will be paid for by wealthy and small business. Is this true. I haven't heard any my guys complaining about the cost of there insurance. I pay half they pay the other half. If it was such a great thing how come the town hall meetings are going on to get an idea of what the country wants. Not only Whitehouse Station and Hoboken. Everybody  can make decisions right or wrong. From: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] On Behalf Of Michael Wiedaseck Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:24 AM To: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it Subject: Re: health care public option That equals a health care tax of about 20%  for the average Virginia family now.  The health care tax premium is more then federal and state taxes combined. Talk about high taxes, the existing tax is high. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: The cost of major medical insurance is not at the cost that you state. Full coverage with dental, pre_script_ion and 80/20 split costs about 10,000 in VA with 3 dependants and a spouse. That's full coverage for everything. Basic major medical in VA cost about $400 a month. That cost doesn't seem to costly to help protect you and your family. I'm in support for change but I'm not sure if the working people should ALWAYS pay for everything. From what I understand is that the wealth in this country are going to pay for this public health care system. Yea right, they are all going to stand in line to cough up extra cash to uncle SAM. From: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] On Behalf Of Michael Wiedaseck Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:20 AM To: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it Subject: Re: health care public option I have a couple of friends that don't have health insurance and their kids seem to get taken care of thru the current health care system, they simple pay the doctor out of pocket and they always seem to get a better deal than most. That will work fine as long as they don't get sick enough to stay in the more then  1 hour. If they stay longer the costs will crush them, if they own a house it will have a lien on it, if they have money in the bank it will be gone. What you actually said was my friends don't have health insurance and I don't mind paying for them, it the people I don't know that I don't want to pay for . 25% of you health insurance premium is to pay for the uninsured. How do you expect a family of 4 to pay $ 12,000 - 15,000 a year for health insurance if the family income is $ 50,000.00 a year. If you have to choose between food and health insurance food always wins.  And their are a lot of families making less the $ 50, 000.00 a year.   If the public plan goes through I plan on going into the Hospital building business.  The number of hospitals will probably decrease because people will get care earlier in the cycle and prevent major events. If you travel around the world you will see the public system works fine, every other country does it with the public system. What makes you think Americans are smarter then everyone else in the world, in general when you think your smarter then everyone else your the least smart person. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: At this current point in my life I have one kid in public school and 1 kid in private school and as far as having basic coverage that is a very great point, I have a couple of friends that don't have health insurance and their kids seem to get taken care of thru the current health care system, they simple pay the doctor out of pocket and they always seem to get a better deal than most. They go to work and pay their bills. Public roads, public schools, public parks, public airports, public stadiums, you name it, government motors, how about Government AIG. You are right we need more government. Everybody deserves coverage of some kind but I think you might be able to work for it and not just be handed everything. From: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] On Behalf Of David Wiedaseck Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:41 PM To: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it Subject: Re: health care public option So on that note of you working for and providing for your own needs.  Will you be enrolling your kids in private school this fall?  Or will I, your brother, end pretty much everyone else without any kids be paying for your kids socialized education?  Also should I write the check out for your school bus or will you be driving them this year?   It's also nice of your Brother, your Mom, and your neighbors for paying for that swing set  and see-saw in the park down the street that your kids play on. You want your vanilla for free, but you want the chocolate to subsidize it. If we don't have health care, perhaps we should have a kid tax to pay for all the services they require.  Instead of just letting the government manage it and divide the cost, we'll introduce a bureaucracy and add 10% overhead, we'll call it kid insurance.   Here's another thought for you.  How about we send all those kids that can't afford a swine flu vaccine to your kids school. The point is having some basic services made universally available benefits society as a whole. Just as having a bunch of uneducated kids running around would be counter productive to greater American society. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: That's why they make chocolate and vanilla ladies and gentleman. If the public plan goes through I plan on going into the Hospital building business. The hospitals cant handle the load now. Imagine the whole country going to see the doc in the box. The health care system is one of the only growing fields in our area right now and the government of course. I believe things could be better through change, but giving things away doesn't always work. Every person doesn't desire to OWN a home, every business doesn't deserve a bailout check, and every person doesn't deserve a brand new car. We don't need the government to tell us when to smoke or eat fast food. We can make decisions for ourselves. I think. The choice I've made is my choice and I work hard to make sure that I have the things I need. I think there is a better way to fix the problem instead of giving the government more. Would the insurance rates go done if everybody bought a plan or if nobody bought a plan? Is your doctor going to give you better care if you have a private plan or a government plan. He/ She has bills and school loans to pay for. Was this country founded on the have and the have not's or by every person being equal. I'll bet everybody that responds to this email is currently covered by some sort of medical coverage or government program. Who gets the benefit? I think the health care system isn't going to solve our diabetes, I think our people who our lazy and sit around  doing things that are bad for you are going to solve some of these problems. Sometimes people need help and you can help yourself without the government telling you how to do it. If I'm confused about this subject it would not be the first time. Power to the people not the government. Where were all the soap box preachers 30 yrs ago on socialized med any way, you could of gotten an early head start. Maybe they can open Government Med School too. They can dictate the price of education for your doctor and pick what he will study too. Mike always wanted a brain surgeon in the family. From: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] On Behalf Of David Wiedaseck Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 10:49 PM To: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it Cc: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it Subject: Re: health care public option EXcellent sermon I think I should also note that Cuba has a higher quality of primary care then the US.  This was parodied by Michael More in his movie sicko. He dragged a group of 911 rescue workers who where unable to afford or who were inelligable for health care to treat the injuries sustained as a result of 911.  The cubans treated them for us, and also pointed out how per_script_io s costing over $100 could be bought. There for less than $1. Cuba also has a higher literacy rate than the US, perhaps that's why no one there oposes it. But hey it's nice to know some have money to blow on overpriced health care. For them I welcome obamas tax hike for the over 150k  crowd.       Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:00 PM, This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: Chris , I don't believe you have an understanding of the depth of the problem and yes you are already paying for the uninsured  .In
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 You think everybody needs full PPO coverage or something to cover them encase of some bad stuff. I think $4800 for some coverage is better than nothing. But that is your choice right. Why is everybody in favor of the government controlling your life. I NEVER thought I was smarter than anybody in any part of the world or country, state, city or town. You trying to convince me to change my opinion makes me think you are smarter than me or anybody else that has the same opinion. Some people don’t always make the right decisions, some people would rather have $800 a month truck payments instead of health insurance. Some people chose to buy houses they cant afford and not buy health insurance. I chose to forgo these special luxuries so I can afford health insurance for my family. I chose not to sit around and wait for somebody else to make a decision on whether or not  my family has health coverage. Some things are more important to other people, like your son private school boy. Just keep paying taxes. So what is the cost of this plan for public insurance. I’ve read that it will be paid for by wealthy and small business. Is this true. I haven’t heard any my guys complaining about the cost of there insurance. I pay half they pay the other half. If it was such a great thing how come the town hall meetings are going on to get an idea of what the country wants. Not only Whitehouse Station and Hoboken. Everybody  can make decisions right or wrong. *From:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] *On Behalf Of *Michael Wiedaseck *Sent:* Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:24 AM *To:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it *Subject:* Re: health care public option That equals a health care tax of about 20%  for the average Virginia family now.  The health care tax premium is more then federal and state taxes combined. Talk about high taxes, the existing tax is high. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: The cost of major medical insurance is not at the cost that you state. Full coverage with dental, pre_script_ion and 80/20 split costs about 10,000 in VA with 3 dependants and a spouse. That’s full coverage for everything. Basic major medical in VA cost about $400 a month. That cost doesn’t seem to costly to help protect you and your family. I’m in support for change but I’m not sure if the working people should ALWAYS pay for everything. From what I understand is that the wealth in this country are going to pay for this public health care system. Yea right, they are all going to stand in line to cough up extra cash to uncle SAM. *From:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] *On Behalf Of *Michael Wiedaseck *Sent:* Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:20 AM *To:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it *Subject:* Re: health care public option * I have a couple of friends that don’t have health insurance and their kids seem to get taken care of thru the current health care system, they simple pay the doctor out of pocket and they always seem to get a better deal than most. * That will work fine as long as they don't get sick enough to stay in the more then  1 hour. If they stay longer the costs will crush them, if they own a house it will have a lien on it, if they have money in the bank it will be gone. What you actually said was my friends don't have health insurance and I don't mind paying for them, it the people I don't know that I don't want to pay for . 25% of you health insurance premium is to pay for the uninsured. How do you expect a family of 4 to pay $ 12,000 - 15,000 a year for health insurance if the family income is $ 50,000.00 a year. If you have to choose between food and health insurance food always wins.  And their are a lot of families making less the $ 50, 000.00 a year. * If the public plan goes through I plan on going into the Hospital building business. *  The number* *of hospitals will probably decrease because people will get care earlier in the cycle and prevent major events. If you travel around the world you will see the public system works fine, every other country does it with the public system. What makes you think Americans are smarter then everyone else in the world, in general when you think your smarter then everyone else your the least smart person. * * On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: At this current point in my life I have one kid in public school and 1 kid in private school and as far as having basic coverage that is a very great point, I have a couple of friends that don’t have health insurance and their kids seem to get taken care of thru the current health care system, they simple pay the doctor out of pocket and they always seem to get a better deal than most. They go to work and pay their bills. Public roads, public schools, public parks, public airports, public stadiums, you name it, government motors, how about Government AIG. You are right we need more government. Everybody deserves coverage of some kind but I think you might be able to work for it and not just be handed everything. *From:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] *On Behalf Of *David Wiedaseck *Sent:* Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:41 PM *To:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it *Subject:* Re: health care public option So on that note of you working for and providing for your own needs.  Will you be enrolling your kids in private school this fall?  Or will I, your brother, end pretty much everyone else without any kids be paying for your kids socialized education?  Also should I write the check out for your school bus or will you be driving them this year? It's also nice of your Brother, your Mom, and your neighbors for paying for that swing set  and see-saw in the park down the street that your kids play on. You want your vanilla for free, but you want the chocolate to subsidize it.  If we don't have health care, perhaps we should have a kid tax to pay for all the services they require.  Instead of just letting the government manage it and divide the cost, we'll introduce a bureaucracy and add 10% overhead, we'll call it kid insurance. Here's another thought for you.  How about we send all those kids that can't afford a swine flu vaccine to your kids school. The point is having some basic services made universally available benefits society as a whole.    Just as having a bunch of uneducated kids running around would be counter productive to greater American society. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: That’s why they make chocolate and vanilla ladies and gentleman. If the public plan goes through I plan on going into the Hospital building business. The hospitals cant handle the load now. Imagine the whole country going to see the doc in the box. The health care system is one of the only growing fields in our area right now and the government of course. I believe things could be better through change, but giving things away doesn’t always work. Every person doesn’t desire to OWN a home, every business doesn’t deserve a bailout check, and every person doesn’t deserve a brand new car. We don’t need the government to tell us when to smoke or eat fast food. We can make decisions for ourselves. I think. The choice I’ve made is my choice and I work hard to make sure that I have the things I need. I think there is a better way to fix the problem instead of giving the government more. Would the insurance rates go done if everybody bought a plan or if nobody bought a plan? Is your doctor going to give you better care if you have a private plan or a government plan. He/ She has bills and school loans to pay for. Was this country founded on the have and the have not’s or by every person being equal. I’ll bet everybody that responds to this email is currently covered by some sort of medical coverage or government program. Who gets the benefit? I think the health care system isn’t going to solve our diabetes, I think our people who our lazy and sit around  doing things that are bad for you are going to solve some of these problems. Sometimes people need help and you can help yourself without the government telling you how to do it. If I’m confused about this subject it would not be the first time. Power to the people not the government. Where were all the soap box preachers 30 yrs ago on socialized med any way, you could of gotten an early head start. Maybe they can open Government Med School too. They can dictate the price of education for your doctor and pick what he will study too. Mike always wanted a brain surgeon in the family. *From:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] *On Behalf Of *David Wiedaseck *Sent:* Tuesday, September 01, 2009 10:49 PM *To:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it *Cc:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it *Subject:* Re: health care public option EXcellent sermon I think I should also
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I don't think they are proposing sales tax to pay for this. I think they plan on taxing certain groups of people that work every day for a living and that's what I'm against. If everybody pays then everybody should get. If some people pay and everybody gets that doesn't seem fair. Robin hood crap. From: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] On Behalf Of Michael Wiedaseck Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 2:59 PM To: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it Subject: Re: health care public option BTW- the way they do in the rest of the world is a sales tax at the wholesale level, so everyone pays, legal or illegal.  And if you issue identity cards then citizens will get the care and everyone pays. Its and easy way to catch illegal aliens. The remark about being smarter the everyone else was directed to the American people not you personally. You know the America love it or leave it crowd. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: You think everybody needs full PPO coverage or something to cover them encase of some bad stuff. I think $4800 for some coverage is better than nothing. But that is your choice right. Why is everybody in favor of the government controlling your life. I NEVER thought I was smarter than anybody in any part of the world or country, state, city or town. You trying to convince me to change my opinion makes me think you are smarter than me or anybody else that has the same opinion. Some people don't always make the right decisions, some people would rather have $800 a month truck payments instead of health insurance. Some people chose to buy houses they cant afford and not buy health insurance. I chose to forgo these special luxuries so I can afford health insurance for my family. I chose not to sit around and wait for somebody else to make a decision on whether or not  my family has health coverage. Some things are more important to other people, like your son private school boy. Just keep paying taxes. So what is the cost of this plan for public insurance. I've read that it will be paid for by wealthy and small business. Is this true. I haven't heard any my guys complaining about the cost of there insurance. I pay half they pay the other half. If it was such a great thing how come the town hall meetings are going on to get an idea of what the country wants. Not only Whitehouse Station and Hoboken. Everybody  can make decisions right or wrong. From: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] On Behalf Of Michael Wiedaseck Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:24 AM To: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it Subject: Re: health care public option That equals a health care tax of about 20%  for the average Virginia family now.  The health care tax premium is more then federal and state taxes combined. Talk about high taxes, the existing tax is high. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: The cost of major medical insurance is not at the cost that you state. Full coverage with dental, pre_script_ion and 80/20 split costs about 10,000 in VA with 3 dependants and a spouse. That's full coverage for everything. Basic major medical in VA cost about $400 a month. That cost doesn't seem to costly to help protect you and your family. I'm in support for change but I'm not sure if the working people should ALWAYS pay for everything. From what I understand is that the wealth in this country are going to pay for this public health care system. Yea right, they are all going to stand in line to cough up extra cash to uncle SAM. From: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] On Behalf Of Michael Wiedaseck Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:20 AM To: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it Subject: Re: health care public option I have a couple of friends that don't have health insurance and their kids seem to get taken care of thru the current health care system, they simple pay the doctor out of pocket and they always seem to get a better deal than most. That will work fine as long as they don't get sick enough to stay in the more then  1 hour. If they stay longer the costs will crush them, if they own a house it will have a lien on it, if they have money in the bank it will be gone. What you actually said was my friends don't have health insurance and I don't mind paying for them, it the people I don't know that I don't want to pay for . 25% of you health insurance premium is to pay for the uninsured. How do you expect a family of 4 to pay $ 12,000 - 15,000 a year for health insurance if the family income is $ 50,000.00 a year. If you have to choose between food and health insurance food always wins.  And their are a lot of families making less the $ 50, 000.00 a year.   If the public plan goes through I plan on going into the Hospital building business.  The number of hospitals will probably decrease because people will get care earlier in the cycle and prevent major events. If you travel around the world you will see the public system works fine, every other country does it with the public system. What makes you think Americans are smarter then everyone else in the world, in general when you think your smarter then everyone else your the least smart person. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: At this current point in my life I have one kid in public school and 1 kid in private school and as far as having basic coverage that is a very great point, I have a couple of friends that don't have health insurance and their kids seem to get taken care of thru the current health care system, they simple pay the doctor out of pocket and they always seem to get a better deal than most. They go to work and pay their bills. Public roads, public schools, public parks, public airports, public stadiums, you name it, government motors, how about Government AIG. You are right we need more government. Everybody deserves coverage of some kind but I think you might be able to work for it and not just be handed everything. From: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] On Behalf Of David Wiedaseck Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:41 PM To: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it Subject: Re: health care public option So on that note of you working for and providing for your own needs.  Will you be enrolling your kids in private school this fall?  Or will I, your brother, end pretty much everyone else without any kids be paying for your kids socialized education?  Also should I write the check out for your school bus or will you be driving them this year?   It's also nice of your Brother, your Mom, and your neighbors for paying for that swing set  and see-saw in the park down the street that your kids play on. You want your vanilla for free, but you want the chocolate to subsidize it. If we don't have health care, perhaps we should have a kid tax to pay for all the services they require.  Instead of just letting the government manage it and divide the cost, we'll introduce a bureaucracy and add 10% overhead, we'll call it kid insurance.   Here's another thought for you.  How about we send all those kids that can't afford a swine flu vaccine to your kids school. The point is having some basic services made universally available benefits society as a whole. Just as having a bunch of uneducated kids running around would be counter productive to greater American society. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: That's why they make chocolate and vanilla ladies and gentleman. If the public plan goes through I plan on going into the Hospital building business. The hospitals cant handle the load now. Imagine the whole country going to see the doc in the box. The health care system is one of the only growing fields in our area right now and the government of course. I believe things could be better through change, but giving things away doesn't always work. Every person doesn't desire to OWN a home, every business doesn't deserve a bailout check, and every person doesn't deserve a brand new car. We don't need the government to tell us when to smoke or eat fast food. We can make decisions for ourselves. I think. The choice I've made is my choice and I work hard to make sure that I have the things I need. I think there is a better way to fix the problem instead of giving the government more. Would the insurance rates go done if everybody bought a plan or if nobody bought a plan? Is your doctor going to give you better care if you have a private plan or a government plan. He/ She has bills and school loans to pay for. Was this country founded on the have and the have not's or by every person being equal. I'll bet everybody that responds to this email is currently covered by some sort of medical coverage or government program. Who gets the benefit? I think the health care system isn't going to solve our diabetes, I think our people who our lazy and sit around  doing things that are bad for you are going to solve some of these problems. Sometimes people need help and you can help yourself without the government telling you how to do it. If I'm confused about this subject it would not be the first time. Power to the people not the government. Where were all the soap box preachers 30 yrs ago on socialized med any way, you could of gotten an early head start. Maybe they can open Government Med School too. They can dictate the price of education for your doctor and pick what he will study too. Mike always wanted a brain surgeon in the family. 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 You think everybody needs full PPO coverage or something to cover them encase of some bad stuff. I think $4800 for some coverage is better than nothing. But that is your choice right. Why is everybody in favor of the government controlling your life. I NEVER thought I was smarter than anybody in any part of the world or country, state, city or town. You trying to convince me to change my opinion makes me think you are smarter than me or anybody else that has the same opinion. Some people don’t always make the right decisions, some people would rather have $800 a month truck payments instead of health insurance. Some people chose to buy houses they cant afford and not buy health insurance. I chose to forgo these special luxuries so I can afford health insurance for my family. I chose not to sit around and wait for somebody else to make a decision on whether or not  my family has health coverage. Some things are more important to other people, like your son private school boy. Just keep paying taxes. So what is the cost of this plan for public insurance. I’ve read that it will be paid for by wealthy and small business. Is this true. I haven’t heard any my guys complaining about the cost of there insurance. I pay half they pay the other half. If it was such a great thing how come the town hall meetings are going on to get an idea of what the country wants. Not only Whitehouse Station and Hoboken. Everybody  can make decisions right or wrong. *From:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] *On Behalf Of *Michael Wiedaseck *Sent:* Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:24 AM *To:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it *Subject:* Re: health care public option That equals a health care tax of about 20%  for the average Virginia family now.  The health care tax premium is more then federal and state taxes combined. Talk about high taxes, the existing tax is high. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: The cost of major medical insurance is not at the cost that you state. Full coverage with dental, pre_script_ion and 80/20 split costs about 10,000 in VA with 3 dependants and a spouse. That’s full coverage for everything. Basic major medical in VA cost about $400 a month. That cost doesn’t seem to costly to help protect you and your family. I’m in support for change but I’m not sure if the working people should ALWAYS pay for everything. From what I understand is that the wealth in this country are going to pay for this public health care system. Yea right, they are all going to stand in line to cough up extra cash to uncle SAM. *From:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] *On Behalf Of *Michael Wiedaseck *Sent:* Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:20 AM *To:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it *Subject:* Re: health care public option * I have a couple of friends that don’t have health insurance and their kids seem to get taken care of thru the current health care system, they simple pay the doctor out of pocket and they always seem to get a better deal than most. * That will work fine as long as they don't get sick enough to stay in the more then  1 hour. If they stay longer the costs will crush them, if they own a house it will have a lien on it, if they have money in the bank it will be gone. What you actually said was my friends don't have health insurance and I don't mind paying for them, it the people I don't know that I don't want to pay for . 25% of you health insurance premium is to pay for the uninsured. How do you expect a family of 4 to pay $ 12,000 - 15,000 a year for health insurance if the family income is $ 50,000.00 a year. If you have to choose between food and health insurance food always wins.  And their are a lot of families making less the $ 50, 000.00 a year. * If the public plan goes through I plan on going into the Hospital building business. *  The number* *of hospitals will probably decrease because people will get care earlier in the cycle and prevent major events. If you travel around the world you will see the public system works fine, every other country does it with the public system. What makes you think Americans are smarter then everyone else in the world, in general when you think your smarter then everyone else your the least smart person. * * On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: At this current point in my life I have one kid in public school and 1 kid in private school and as far as having basic coverage that is a very great point, I have a couple of friends that don’t have health insurance and their kids seem to get taken care of thru the current health care system, they simple pay the doctor out of pocket and they always seem to get a better deal than most. They go to work and pay their bills. Public roads, public schools, public parks, public airports, public stadiums, you name it, government motors, how about Government AIG. You are right we need more government. Everybody deserves coverage of some kind but I think you might be able to work for it and not just be handed everything. *From:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] *On Behalf Of *David Wiedaseck *Sent:* Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:41 PM *To:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it *Subject:* Re: health care public option So on that note of you working for and providing for your own needs.  Will you be enrolling your kids in private school this fall?  Or will I, your brother, end pretty much everyone else without any kids be paying for your kids socialized education?  Also should I write the check out for your school bus or will you be driving them this year? It's also nice of your Brother, your Mom, and your neighbors for paying for that swing set  and see-saw in the park down the street that your kids play on. You want your vanilla for free, but you want the chocolate to subsidize it.  If we don't have health care, perhaps we should have a kid tax to pay for all the services they require.  Instead of just letting the government manage it and divide the cost, we'll introduce a bureaucracy and add 10% overhead, we'll call it kid insurance. Here's another thought for you.  How about we send all those kids that can't afford a swine flu vaccine to your kids school. The point is having some basic services made universally available benefits society as a whole.    Just as having a bunch of uneducated kids running around would be counter productive to greater American society. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: That’s why they make chocolate and vanilla ladies and gentleman. If the public plan goes through I plan on going into the Hospital building business. The hospitals cant handle the load now. Imagine the whole country going to see the doc in the box. The health care system is one of the only growing fields in our area right now and the government of course. I believe things could be better through change, but giving things away doesn’t always work. Every person doesn’t desire to OWN a home, every business doesn’t deserve a bailout check, and every person doesn’t deserve a brand new car. We don’t need the government to tell us when to smoke or eat fast food. We can make decisions for ourselves. I think. The choice I’ve made is my choice and I work hard to make sure that I have the things I need. I think there is a better way to fix the problem instead of giving the government more. Would the insurance rates go done if everybody bought a plan or if nobody bought a plan? Is
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 I don’t think they are proposing sales tax to pay for this. I think they plan on taxing certain groups of people that work every day for a living and that’s what I’m against. If everybody pays then everybody should get. If some people pay and everybody gets that doesn’t seem fair. Robin hood crap. *From:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] *On Behalf Of *Michael Wiedaseck *Sent:* Wednesday, September 02, 2009 2:59 PM *To:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it *Subject:* Re: health care public option BTW- the way they do in the rest of the world is a sales tax at the wholesale level, so everyone pays, legal or illegal.  And if you issue identity cards then citizens will get the care and everyone pays. Its and easy way to catch illegal aliens. The remark about being smarter the everyone else was directed to the American people not you personally. You know the America love it or leave it crowd. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: You think everybody needs full PPO coverage or something to cover them encase of some bad stuff. I think $4800 for some coverage is better than nothing. But that is your choice right. Why is everybody in favor of the government controlling your life. I NEVER thought I was smarter than anybody in any part of the world or country, state, city or town. You trying to convince me to change my opinion makes me think you are smarter than me or anybody else that has the same opinion. Some people don’t always make the right decisions, some people would rather have $800 a month truck payments instead of health insurance. Some people chose to buy houses they cant afford and not buy health insurance. I chose to forgo these special luxuries so I can afford health insurance for my family. I chose not to sit around and wait for somebody else to make a decision on whether or not  my family has health coverage. Some things are more important to other people, like your son private school boy. Just keep paying taxes. So what is the cost of this plan for public insurance. I’ve read that it will be paid for by wealthy and small business. Is this true. I haven’t heard any my guys complaining about the cost of there insurance. I pay half they pay the other half. If it was such a great thing how come the town hall meetings are going on to get an idea of what the country wants. Not only Whitehouse Station and Hoboken. Everybody  can make decisions right or wrong. *From:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] *On Behalf Of *Michael Wiedaseck *Sent:* Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:24 AM *To:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it *Subject:* Re: health care public option That equals a health care tax of about 20%  for the average Virginia family now.  The health care tax premium is more then federal and state taxes combined. Talk about high taxes, the existing tax is high. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: The cost of major medical insurance is not at the cost that you state. Full coverage with dental, pre_script_ion and 80/20 split costs about 10,000 in VA with 3 dependants and a spouse. That’s full coverage for everything. Basic major medical in VA cost about $400 a month. That cost doesn’t seem to costly to help protect you and your family. I’m in support for change but I’m not sure if the working people should ALWAYS pay for everything. From what I understand is that the wealth in this country are going to pay for this public health care system. Yea right, they are all going to stand in line to cough up extra cash to uncle SAM. *From:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] *On Behalf Of *Michael Wiedaseck *Sent:* Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:20 AM *To:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it *Subject:* Re: health care public option * I have a couple of friends that don’t have health insurance and their kids seem to get taken care of thru the current health care system, they simple pay the doctor out of pocket and they always seem to get a better deal than most. * That will work fine as long as they don't get sick enough to stay in the more then  1 hour. If they stay longer the costs will crush them, if they own a house it will have a lien on it, if they have money in the bank it will be gone. What you actually said was my friends don't have health insurance and I don't mind paying for them, it the people I don't know that I don't want to pay for . 25% of you health insurance premium is to pay for the uninsured. How do you expect a family of 4 to pay $ 12,000 - 15,000 a year for health insurance if the family income is $ 50,000.00 a year. If you have to choose between food and health insurance food always wins.  And their are a lot of families making less the $ 50, 000.00 a year. * If the public plan goes through I plan on going into the Hospital building business. *  The number* *of hospitals will probably decrease because people will get care earlier in the cycle and prevent major events. If you travel around the world you will see the public system works fine, every other country does it with the public system. What makes you think Americans are smarter then everyone else in the world, in general when you think your smarter then everyone else your the least smart person. * * On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: At this current point in my life I have one kid in public school and 1 kid in private school and as far as having basic coverage that is a very great point, I have a couple of friends that don’t have health insurance and their kids seem to get taken care of thru the current health care system, they simple pay the doctor out of pocket and they always seem to get a better deal than most. They go to work and pay their bills. Public roads, public schools, public parks, public airports, public stadiums, you name it, government motors, how about Government AIG. You are right we need more government. Everybody deserves coverage of some kind but I think you might be able to work for it and not just be handed everything. *From:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] *On Behalf Of *David Wiedaseck *Sent:* Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:41 PM *To:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it *Subject:* Re: health care public option So on that note of you working for and providing for your own needs.  Will you be enrolling your kids in private school this fall?  Or will I, your brother, end pretty much everyone else without any kids be paying for your kids socialized education?  Also should I write the check out for your school bus or will you be driving them this year? It's also nice of your Brother, your Mom, and your neighbors for paying for that swing set  and see-saw in the park down the street that your kids play on. You want your vanilla for free, but you want the chocolate to subsidize it.  If we don't have health care, perhaps we should have a kid tax to pay for all the services they require.  Instead of just letting the government manage it and divide the cost, we'll introduce a bureaucracy and add 10% overhead, we'll call it kid insurance. Here's another thought for you.  How about we send all those kids that can't afford a swine flu vaccine to your kids school. The point is having some basic services made universally available benefits society as a whole.    Just as having a bunch of uneducated kids running around would be counter productive to greater American society. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: That’s why they make chocolate and vanilla ladies and gentleman. If the public plan goes through I plan on going into the Hospital building business. The hospitals cant handle the load now. Imagine the whole country going to see the doc in the box. The health care system is one of the only growing fields in our area right now and the government of course. I believe things could be better through change, but giving things away doesn’t always work. Every person doesn’t desire to OWN a home, every business doesn’t deserve a
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