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I am searching for the best way to counter those folks who insist that man is a spiritual being, that spirits are everywhere and that you must be spiritual to be anybody.  They also claim that natural beauty is spiritual and therefore comes from god, so you must be godly to be spiritual.  I claim that beauty comes from nature and has nothing to do with any god or spirit.  Can you give me a few good words I can use to counter their nonsense? Thank you, Ralph Williamson
 
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I am searching for the best way to counter those folks who insist that man is a spiritual being, that spirits are everywhere and that you must be spiritual to be anybody.  They also claim that natural beauty is spiritual and therefore comes from god, so you must be godly to be spiritual.  I claim that beauty comes from nature and has nothing to do with any god or spirit.  Can you give me a few good words I can use to counter their nonsense? Thank you, Ralph Williamson Um.. how about this: if all that matters is spirit, why have bodies at all? Why was materialistic universe created? Other than that, there's only occam's razor I'm afraid.. But many people won't consider it convincing. Or how about Heinlein's quote that 'morality is survival above individual level'? That's why we see these things and we can't explain them cause they're above individual level - they're social, so we call them spiritual. I.e. if you want to eat and you go eat, that's simple - otherwise you'd starve and then die. What about being moral to fellow beings? That's also necessary, but so that society can survive, so it's harder to see how it works. In fact, it's meant not to be seen to work, cause otherwise many would be trying to take advantage of this for individual purposes - which is exactly what happens..
 
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any god or spirit.  Can you give me a few good words I can use to counter their nonsense? Thank you, Ralph Williamson A first step might be to ask them to define their terms. What exactly do they mean by spirit and spiritual . If they can't define these terms, then they (literally) don't know what they are talking about. If they can define these terms, then the next step would be to ask for proof. They are the ones making the (extraordinary) claims and they are the ones who must provide proof. This is a far better strategy than denying the existence of these spirits - as you would then be put in the position of proving they do not exist. Charles Appel Bona Na Croin
 
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Can you give me a few good words I can use to counter their nonsense? Maybe you should ask to be shown something that isn't spiritual.
 
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