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things that are not understood, like herbs and homeopathy, they were used as homeopathy is one of the more egregious forms of quackery. There is absolutely no scientific basis for it. Any benefit claimed for it is solely due to the placebo effect. why not just go to a psychic for your acne?
 
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medical school and then share your wonderful knowledge and healing gifts with your patients. You could tell them that statistical studies aren't nearly as motherfucking important as your Goddamn motherfucking experience is, and any doctor who dares to disafuckinggree with you is a fucking jerkoff that you may have to motherfucking kill. You could kill any dermatologist who dares to tell his patients anything that does not conform with YOUR experience. And also any researcher who does not give YOUR  statements greater weight than than the rest of his data. BoB, Would you care to enlighten those of us that rely on our experience to govern our understanding of the world as to the place that we may find such studies that you seem to take such stock in.     May I offer up, to the gods of reason that govern those of us that care, that the problem with `scientific studies' of this nature is that they are non-selective.  I could conceive of this scenario:  You have 100 acne sufferers, with active cases.  You assume that from one spectrum to the other there will be all sorts of diets; both good and bad.  So that isnt part of the equation.  You tell half of them, who for the most part do not know about the connection between acne and food, that they are not to eat any tuna fish (iodione containing) for 2 months.  They all comply strictly.  The other you will assume eats a normal amount of Tuna.  They all come back into your office and you notice something amazing.  Remember, this is science!!!!  Are you ready?  They are all pretty much the same!  Some have gotten better, some worse in both control and test group.  Wow.  What does that mean? It means Tuna doesnt have any effect, right?  Ok.  Is that logical? Well, lets test it again with another kind of food.  How about Dairy Products?  Same scenario.  Most people drink lots of dairy anyways, so this one is a real good one.  They all comply (you know they do because you TOLD them to)  Humans will always listen to the doctor, dont yaknow?  But, for the purpose of this arguement, lets assume they do.  They leave, and come back 2 months later.  Same story.  No clinical connection found between dairy products and acne, right?  Of course.        Now, lets put this into perspective.  In both cases, both the control and the test group will eat just about everything else that normal people eat while the experiment is going on.  During the time that they are supposed to not eat dairy, they are consuming lots shellfish, fried foods with lots of IODIZED salt, peanut butter, and the other culprits in my opinion.  Guess what the effect of not eating dairy is going to be?  Very little effect at all.  Their diets still sucked.  You see, unless you literally lock these people up, and feed them under clinical conditions, and control every aspect of their diets in a TRUE scientifically accurate manner, you will come to In the hypothetical studies you describe, you are leaving too many other variables uncontrolled. Remember, acne has a way of simply going away as the patient ages, in the majority of cases. Still, I commend you on your knowledge on how double-blind trials are conducted. You also seem to realize that experimental design is no mean feat, and that no matter how well designed an experiment is, the possiblity of uncontrolled variables always exists. Particularly in a case like this, where the researcher is trying to determine the effects of diet on a disease for which the cause is not even known exactly. We're talking humans here, not electrons. It would help to remember here that the Dr. did not say Diet plays no role in in the course of acne . What he said was, that science has not yet found a connection there. Not that there isn't one, period, just that one hasn't been found. There may well be a connection, enough people here believe that there is to make it a worthwhile subject for more intensive study. Most likely, very careful clinical trials, like the ones you describe have never been done, and conventional wisdom rests more on the clinical experience of the majority of dermatologists. But any Dr. would tell a patient who beleives that certain foods are aggraving their acne (or any other disease that they have), to cut that food out. My original argument was with the poster who angrily denounced the Dr. for daring to say that he didn't think diet played a role in treating acne. That poster mistakenly assumes that any benefit he has gotten from a change in diet, (be it real or imagined) is naturally going to work for the next person, too, and how dare that Dr. say otherwise?
 
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Or just some diploma mill. No, sir, you can check them out on the internet - their web site is www.ccnh.edu You and your ilk are charlatans. People get mad at dermatologists because their treatments don't always work. Well, that's the way it is. You just sell advice, some good, some bad, and false hope. The fact is, not all cases of acne can be treated successfully. And some people just won't accept that fact. There are even chiropractors here in my town that claim to be able to cure acne. The only thing they (and you) can cure is fat wallet syndrome. I truly resent your attitude, sir. Sure you do. I'm on to you. But if all of your credentials were as unimpeachable as you claim, you wouldn't care what what I think. But you know quite well that many people will find your phd and CIDESCO affilitation to be a joke. You aren't stupid, you just need to make a living. I apologize. Now if part of what you do as an aesthetician is use treatments to  improve the appearance of some one with acne scars, why not at least go to nursing school and become an RN, and get additional training on using the various lasers that dermatologists use? That at least is a proven treatment. I understand the problem of not being able to attend a real university once you have to take care of a family and earn a living. But nowadays many real universities offer online courses. You'd feel much better about holding a degree from an accredited unviersity than that phd that plenty of people are just going to laugh at.  If nutritional science is your main interest, I think Texas A&M offers a degree in that. People don't laugh at degrees in science from there. And they don't make you take courses in garbage , either. I really don't know what you meant by that garbage remark, I think maybe you were just being defensive, but degrees in science rarely require any courses that maost people would call garbage . Yes, they do have blow off courses for athletes to take (like theater appreciation ), just like any other giant state university. But science students don't have to take them.  To sum up Laura, your posts show you to be intelligent. Although it will be much, much harder to do, get a real education and sport real credentials. In the long run, you'll be much happier than conning people with a phony phd and your membership in a French beautician's society.
 
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In the long run, you'll be much happier than conning people with a phony phd and your membership in a French beautician's society. I certainly worked my fanny off long and hard enough to know that I'm not conning anyone - and it is _base_d in Zurich, Switzerland, not France, and it isn't a beautician's society - it is an esthetic ACCREDITATION/DIPLOMA. I continue to be... Laura Root, CIDESCO Diplomate Body & Soul Esthetic Retreat Scottsdale, AZ
 
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It would help to remember here that the Dr. did not say Diet plays no role in in the course of acne . What he said was, that science has not yet found a connection there. Bob - you might go back and check the first post (well, you don't have to, I've copied it verbatim here) - as his exact words were: Food does NOT affect acne.  It takes about three WEEKS to make an acne bump, and saying Hey, doc, I ate a couple chocolate bars last night and bingo!, I'm broken out this morning! makes no sense at all. That sounds to me like another interpretation of Diet plays no role in the course of acne As ever, Laura Root, CIDESCO Diplomate Body & Soul Esthetic Retreat Scottsdale, AZ
 
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homeopathy is one of the more egregious forms of quackery. There is absolutely no scientific basis for it. Any benefit claimed for it is solely due to the placebo effect. why not just go to a psychic for your acne? It is true that the mechanisms by which homeopathy works are not well understood.  The same is true for many modern drugs, including Accutane.   Doctors don't know *how* it works, they just see the end results and proclaim that it does work. As for the placebo effect, homeopathy will not work 100% of the time.  But guess what?  Neither will drugs.  Many people have posted here after having taken Accutane 2-3-4 times and the acne still returns.  Does that mean that it was the placebo effect that cured all those for whom Accutane worked?   No.  And so it's the same with homeopathy or herbs or whatever. There is no one treatment or cure that will work on 100% of the people.   This is because people are unique individuals, not clones of some medical model. The acne puzzle has multiple parts, and so there are multiple ways of treating it.  People are free to pick and choose which ones work best for themselves. Dee
 
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