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People generally see what they want to see. (Btw a good book on that is Carl Sagan: The Demon-haunted world. Science as a candle in the dark . Yes, that's on paper). For centuries the Christian church have told us that everything immediately pleasant must be the work of satan and therefore bad. That, I believe, makes it very simple to understand that it's chocolate, caffeine and the like that must take the blame for things like acne, and not rye bread and lettuce. Lars I believe it may be you who is kidding yourself Lars. Even if you personally find no _link_ between what you eat and acne there is surely no doubt that food directly effects the intensity of acne in so many many many cases. I have been following input to skin-disease/acne newsgroups for a long time. If you think that the _link_ between certain foods is all merely psychological or the result of suggestion, how do explain the fact that numerous first time sufferers have posted messages such as I have been noticing that I get breakouts after drinking a lot of milk. Can anyone tell me if there is a _link_ between milk and acne? These people are not RESPONDING to something they have heard, neither are they REFLECTING info they have been fed - they have suffered a DIRECT experience of acne breakout after milk (or another food) and are actually SEEKING information where they have NONE. One of the biggest REASONS these people have no information on this and are seeking that info is because so-called 'scientific' mainstream dermatology is failing them by feeding them a misguided dogma, i.e. 'there is no connection between diet and acne'. Now, I suppose it may well be that many influential scientists have found that they are unable to EXPLAIN or DESCRIBE the precise processes whereby certain foods aggravate acne according to their own very precise and comprehensive criteria. BUT LOOK HOW MANY DECADES IT TOOK (at least four) BEFORE MAINSTREAM SCIENCE FINALLY ACCEPTED, DESCRIBED AND EXPLAINED THE _link_ BETWEEN SMOKING AND LUNG DISEASE. The scientists should acknowledge that their knowledge, like everyone else's, is incomplete. Rather than drawing an absolute conclusion that 'acne and food are not _link_ed' because they have drawn some conclusion such as 'it takes three weeks for a boil to form'. How can these people be so thick as to think that NO OTHER FACTOR affects the development and intensity of a boil, especially in the face of so much direct experience from so many sufferers? I so much agree with all the other outraged people who have posted here and are having their direct, long-term and continuing experience that food and the intensity of their acne are _link_ed denied. I especially agree with the person who points out that you cannot disprove a negative. Certain so-called scientists are so desperate to defend their pathetic 'no food _link_' orthodoxy that they are actually resorting to a completely unscientific position. One of the principles of empirical science is that knowledge advances through a dialectical or discursive process whereby theories are posited and then are then investigated and, if possible, disapproved and thereby replaced by better (though not absolutely/ultimately TRUE) theories. Statements which CANNOT be disapproved, (such as acne is caused by etherial elves) have no place in scientific debate. So many devotees of orthodox 'scientific' dermatology dogma seize on the argument that the _link_ between food and acne is 'psychological' simply because it is well nigh impossible to ultimately disapprove - you could, for example, respond to the argument I present in my first paragraph by delving deeper into the vagaries of psychology and suggesting that the people who believe that they have made an A PRIORI observation that milk aggravates acne have been SUBCONSCIOUSLY influenced by, say, widespread debate about diet that is current in many circles. Now it may be ultimately impossible for me to absolutely prove that people (most of whom were not setting out to observe anything in particular) who notice that that they get acne after, say, lots of milk are not somehow subconsciously affected by some subliminal message or other. I would say that its BLOODY STUPID to keep on ignoring SO MUCH circumstantial evidence from sufferers and keep producing abstruse psychological arguments rather than acknowledge that mainstream science and current dermatological orthodoxy may be completely wrong on this issue(and watch the share price in certain drug companies plunge - and, horror of horrors, require medical practitioners to do something other than reach for their pre_script_ion pads and shout 'next please'). I am open-minded enough to accept that food may not affect YOUR acne, but please don't play into the hands of lazy medical practitioners, greedy drug businesses and derms who refuse to listen to sufferers, or challenge or modify what they may have read in a text book by denying the experience of so many people.
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Taking accutane w/o controlling my diet reduced my acne only about 50%. Taking accutane w/ a controlled diet reduced it by 90%. Tell me I'm imagining things. Tell me diet has nothing to do w/ breakouts. Sorry to say so, but Accutane is often more effective the second time (IF more than one course is needed). That is what I've read in this NG. Personally I've found no relation what so ever between diet and acne. Lars
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Food does NOT affect acne. It takes about three WEEKS to make an acne bump, and saying Hey, doc, I ate a couple chocolate bars last night and bingo!, I'm broken out this morning! makes no sense at all. Dr. Joe No offense intended, and sorry to disagree, Dr. Joe, but I know from personal experience that specific foods do affect my skin - however, the overnight thing is certainly correct - it does take time to show up and for some it's three weeks, others it can be as little as a week-depends on the _meta_bolism of that person. Lady, your personal experience means nothing statistically. Learn some science.
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Food does NOT affect acne. It takes about three WEEKS to make an acne bump, and saying Hey, doc, I ate a couple chocolate bars last night and bingo!, I'm broken out this morning! makes no sense at all. Dr. Joe No offense intended, and sorry to disagree, Dr. Joe, but I know from personal experience that specific foods do affect my skin - however, the overnight thing is certainly correct - it does take time to show up and for some it's three weeks, others it can be as little as a week-depends on the _meta_bolism of that person. Yep, I have to agree here too. Food *does* aggravate my acne, usually within a couple of days, and changing my diet and using supplements have helped me greatly. And the research is out there. All reputable reasearch is at odds with your conclusion. Like many people, you have misinterpreted your own experience, and have assumed that other people will respond the same way that you think that you have. But double-blind studies do not support your beleif. Acne has been shown, however to respond somewhat to the placebo effect. Why not just take some herbs, pray, sacrifice a chicken, or put some pins in a doll? If you believe strongly enough, it might help.
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Lady, your personal experience means nothing statistically. Learn some science. You can take your science and put it where the sun does not shine. I know you are wrong. Millions of other people know you are wrong. I'm OK with that. They are OK with that. SCIENCE once thought the earth was flat. SCIENCE once thought the sun revolved around the earth. SCIENCE once thought that smoking was good for you. SCIENCE once thought that Thalidamide was a great drug. THE GREATEST thing about science is that it can be wrong and still survive quite intact; its principles are sound, but the application of them are what needs to fall under scrutiny. -Rip
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Food does NOT affect acne. It takes about three WEEKS to make an acne bump, and saying Hey, doc, I ate a couple chocolate bars last night and bingo!, I'm broken out this morning! makes no sense at all. Dr. Joe If there is one thing that really pisses me off it is people like you who post the most patently wrong and counter productive information in an area that cannot stand such B.S. FIRST: MY experience. I went through over 10 years of acne. I experimented with a lot of different methods of controlling it. I came to some conclusions which I tested many, many, many (read: many) times. These were theat certain foods can AGGRAVATE (READ: not CAUSE) acne. In other words, though you may be correct in your statement that a comedome (plugged pore) does not happen overnight, it can cause a pore that is plugged and on the verge of becoming a pustule, or a blackhead to take the former route and become inflamed and pustular. Thus, food may not cause ones problem (it may not create the initial problem), but it can cause your acne to `flare up'. To what biological mechanism we owe this, I do not know. Think about this: Some things we KNOW will cause an acne prone person to `break out': Iodine. What is it in iodine that causes a person to break out? We EAT iodine rich foods and we break out, right? This is accepted by even the most ass backwards derms in the world. Wanna see what else we can do to your skin in a matter of days? How about this one: Try taking Anadrol-50. Its a POTENT (the most) androgenic steroid in the world. If you are acne prone you WILL break out in a matter of a day or two. Was the comedome created by the Anadrol-50 in that time? No way! Was the conditions set up by the anadrol ripe for a flare up? ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY. As for the long term effects of a healthy diet, I cannot tell you how important they are to managing your acne. Even if you do JUST one thing, and thats stay away from ALL dairy products, you will most likely notice a difference. Also, how the fuck can you tell the millions of people that have come to believe that certain foods `cause' them to breakout are wrong? Thats absurd! Do you think that they just made it up? WHy arent there people who insist that eating rye bread causes them to break out? How about lettuce? Carrots? No, it just must be a coincidence, eh? B.S. it is. I want to kick your `DR.' pretending ass until you hemmorage to death so that you dont cause the people here more pain than they already have with their acne. Acne sucks, Ive been there. DONT YOU FUCKING DARE TELL PEOPLE SOMETHING THAT WILL MAKE IT WORSE. If you could learn to speak without cursing, perhaps you should go to medical school and then share your wonderful knowledge and healing gifts with your patients. You could tell them that statistical studies aren't nearly as motherfucking important as your Goddamn motherfucking experience is, and any doctor who dares to disafuckinggree with you is a fucking jerkoff that you may have to motherfucking kill. You could kill any dermatologist who dares to tell his patients anything that does not conform with YOUR experience. And also any researcher who does not give YOUR statements greater weight than than the rest of his data.
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